Although contested by mainstream science, there are some cryptozoologists who believe the Megalodon shark could still be alive today, perhaps in the deeper parts of the ocean. @sirfizzwhizz: 1/3? The Megalodon is not necessarily a fast predator, but just an ambush. This match up is similar to a man with an anti-tank weapon against an armored vehicle. I just absolutly love how everyone declares megalodon winner solely because of its bite force. Sperm whale skin=14 inches. this seems unfair. shark, it can equip up to 3 pets at a time and can break purple crystal walls. I like both, but I've liked sharks my entire life and just because I like it more, I'm gonna say the Megalodon pulls of the victory. Megalodon is so overrated some people have even claimed that it is 75 ft and 100 tons. Megalodon young would have lived in shark nurseries closer to the shore where they’d be safer, and adults would have hunted in deeper water. Megalodon vs blue whale size The question should rather be “how smaller is a Megalodon to a blue whale?” the biggest size of a Megalodon has always been a topic of discourse because they did not possess skeletons hence making it quite difficult for scientists to decipher. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. (In reality, this pair would probably have been too evenly matched to have risked fighting each other and would have avoided each other as the risk of death or serious injury would have been too great for both animals.). and you are underestimating whales. plus the megalodon had hard skin and it would have been hard for a Livyatan to penetrate it. @wyldsong: Not really. The leviathans tooth size won't do anything as it just pierces the prey a little bit deeper. Megladons only get to 80 feet at best. The sperm whale and Livy are similarly sized so we can assume they have the same thickness. Megalodon would just win easily with the livyatan because megalodon have the strongest bite force and it was bigger than livyatan, Well it is hard to claim who is the winner. what you don't realize is the thickness of the Megalodon's jaws to the Livyatan's. I think its kind of like the collossal squid vs sperm whale kinda thing. Livyatan wins but both animals are equally awesome. OP: The whale is like 2/3 of the size of the shark, and a lot smarter. cryptid (author) from USA on August 17, 2019: @PeteD - That is an extremely well-researched comment. After some quick googling, I've found encephalization quotients (how big an animal's brain is compared to what you'd expect for an animal of that size, where 1 is average for mammals) of 0.41 for great whites, 0.56 and 0.58 for modern male sperm whales and 1.28 for modern female sperm whales. According to the eq system caribou are smarter than pigs and elephants, monkeys are smarter than orangutans, wildebeest are smarter than hippos and pigs/warthogs, dolphins=1% less than humans and whales=cows. The leviathan uses simple charge tactics, this puts it in a playdown level. So, what do you think? No matter how you spell it, leviathan is a word that describes this monster quite accurately. The whale-period! Livyatan Melvillei is a fairly recent discovery in the world of paleontology, first described back in 2008. They're close in size and both solitary animals, so this would be a close one. Now replace it with a 20m 75 ton shark with skin 20 cm thick and jaws wide enough to bite even the largest orca in half. Baboons have high intelligence, yet are preyed upon by leopards so intelligence wont be the deciding factor. Livyatan was a massive raptorial whale with the largest functional teeth ever known, some measuring over a foot long. Some say megalodon ate Livyatan but it was an ambush predator and Livyatan might have eaten it too. I was lowballing the whales size and high balling the shark to show that it stood no chance. ummmm wahw they have the same length and weight 50 and 50 tonnes. Livatan becouse new evidenc bring down megalodon size estimates to max 15m or 50 feet. Agility goes straight to the whales. Megalodon is so glorified some people even make theories about it being alive. Sure its a guranteed kill with a bite that could crush a car, but remember that livyatan also has an instakilling bite, so all it matters is who attacks first. Ask any whale or hippo researcher and they will not agree. The smaller male Megalodons were 10.5-14.3 m long and weighed 12.6-33.9 tonnes, i.e. but Livyatan has longer and harder teeth. So, depending on the circumstances, it’s easy to see each of these monsters getting the better of the other. 3. If these apex predators came together to fight, bite force won't be very useful, however, the megalodon has a speed that is much higher than the leviathan, and the leviathan has an intellect a megalodon never had. It’s interesting to imagine these two incredible prehistoric sea creatures squaring off in an epic battle, and if we were around back then we may have seen it. Colossal Squid Boss vs Zombie Shark,Atomic,Big Momma,Killer Whale,Megalodon - Hungry Sharkを見る - DailymotionでBernardbuddicom78を視聴 It turned out sharks were not suited to being huge and whales were not suited to eating each other. Yes, its teeth were more like those of a scaled-up orca, but in terms of other aspects like speed and manoeuvrability, I think it would probably have been more like a modern sperm whale, and we don't have any evidence of modern sperm whales attacking great whites. But, the megalodon's bite force is the strongest ever. Why would it hide in trenches? Thanks for allowing. Back when Megalodon was first discovered researchers put its estimated length at 80-100 feet, but in recent times there are more realistic numbers. Humpback whales have shown empathy for other species and actually save other animals from orcas. by Max ... Who wins in the powerful clash of predators Polar Bear and the killer whale? Even better. The meg is gonna take at least 15-16 before it gets injured, and the orcas are smart enough before they lose those numbers to leave. These are the kind of creatures that have spawned myth and legend since mankind first went into the water. :) ^-^ and meg is not smart so yeah. Sharks are best. meg is a piece of rubbish to a leviathan. "56 km / h": you take it from the great white shark and you stick it directly to the megalodon. meg too so it is basically orca vs great white duh who wins? Also, say it's 4 Orcas and 1 Great White, all the Oracs have to do is flip the shark over and it's immobile. If an orca pod shows up in an area all sharks immediately flee. I believe they have almost the same size and strength or maybe bite force since livyatan eat the same prey as megalodon. Killer whales are bigger, stronger, faster, more agile, and smarter than the great white so they win because they have all the advantages plus killer whales are not actually whales but more like oversized dolphins so that's why they also have the agility advantage. These were apex predators with equal strengths and some advantages and disadvantages for both animals. Livyatan for the win! @sirfizzwhizz: no the weren't the were 60 feet. Sperm whales versus killer whales – Indian Ocean. Again I don’t think it’s going to one or the other in every encounter but I’d put my money on the predatory whale. Megalodon, even though Livyatan was smarter, and both 60ft, Megalodon was faster, and had a stronger bite force. In no way in hell can the shark win this. Both of these predators lived in every ocean of the world, which were much warmer at the time. 1. With a larger, thicker body, and much more powerful bite force, not to mention wider, more massive jaws, the Megalodon was likely the apex predator even among apex predators. Megalodon,it had a stronger bite than the livyatan.Plus,it was faster and more agile than the livyatan,but the livyatan was smarter than the megalodon and can use it to its advantage.Anyways,this battle reminds me of a giant octopus(livyatan) fighting against a sperm whale(megalodon)(the outcome,not the animals themselves.Man,just picture a livyatan with 8 arms...). And that's only if (big if) the leviathan can actually land a hit on the megalodon, which it likely won't. The leviathan however has intellect that the megalodon does not posses. In the instance of a fight between a full-grown male of the former and a full-grown female of the latter though, I think given what we know about modern sharks and whales in almost all instances, Livyatan wins, barring poor health or a preexisting injury that would compromise its ability to overcome Meg. The leviathan’s bite force is mike tyson’s punch while the megalodon’s is mikes bite. If megalodons are 60ft on average, and you go by the biggest example of all time with like 80ft, you should do the same with the whales, what would make them 50ft. This is a relatively new species, and as research continues surprises may be revealed. The potential prey is a large toothed whale, Brygmophyseter, which has ventured away from its pod. Shark is victorious. This means megalodon won’t be able to penetrate the sperm whales or livyatans armor. People need to stop overestimating predators and realize that they need uncivilized and dishonorable tactics like stealth in order to kill a single deer. However, many other whales are only averagely intelligent for mammals and not much more intelligent than great whites. Killer Wales are only 1/3 that. So who would have been the top predator of the ancient oceans? Indeed, although sharp, the megalodon teeth are not efficient enough to shear its prey if it has a skin of this order there, for that, it would need teeth of the same structure as that of a tiger shark or a Greenland shark, which is not the case. It is believed Megalodon may have subdued prey larger than itself by biting the fins off first, then coming in for the kill. With such a command over the ancient oceans, it seems unfathomable that these huge creatures would have somehow met their ends, but a changing climate proved too much for them. Blue whales have endured hours worth’s of bites from pods of 20+ orcas and still managed to escape, so they must be pretty durable. The answer simply may be that large predators have a more difficult time adapting to changing conditions, particularly where their food sources are involved. In fact humpback whales, which are only 40 ft compared to 52 for an average bull sperm whale, have been recorded fighting off orcas[3]and even preventing orcas from eating dead grey whales. Livyatan would easily win because of its intellect. If not, then two or maybe three whales are enough. After the dinosaurs went extinct, 65 million years ago, the biggest animals on earth were confined to the world's oceans—as witness the 50-foot-long, 50-ton prehistoric sperm whale Leviathan (also known as Livyatan) and the 50-foot-long, 50-ton Megalodon, by far the biggest shark that ever lived. i think its just like giant squid and sperm whale there is a 50 50 chance of either of them winning, i think megalodon because it have the most powerful biteforce in history powerful than a T.Rex!and hunt bigger whales but when livyatan did live in pods well it can kill the 59 feet megalodon but if scientist found a larger teeth of a megalodon yeah megalodon can kill a pod of livytan but its still not confirmed of livyatan live in pods and if livyatan did not live in pods well megalodon can kill them because there is some whales that did not live in pods. "50 km / h": Livyathan's speed was never estimated, we can just deduce it and +50 km / h is quite likely. The eq system might even be worse than the system of brain size=intelligence. Since it's a shark it's faster and more agile than the whale. For comparison, the fastest sharks today travel at 60 mph which is but not significantly. One ram at the megalodon and it would be half dead. Most will think the megalodon would win because it has been stereotyped to be SUPER powerful. We don’t even do that for the dinosaurs, who are obviously cool and popular. In addition, while orcas use their intelligence to great effect while hunting, that's in the form of cooperation and communication, enabling very effective teamwork. numbers will always win. lol, spite thread, killer whales have nothing on a megalodon. Once 9 sperm whales fought slightly over thirty orcas(the most intelligent non human animals), the orcas were only able to kill one before being forced to flee despite outnumbering their adversaries by a factor of 3. So what would have been the purpose of this organ? Like any other !! However, there is one thing you said that I believe to be incorrect: “In case one, the first attack of the megalodon could be fatal for any type of cetacean, but not in the case of lyviathan or sperm whale because of its layer of skin and fat reducing the impact.”. but most of the time the winner goes to livyatan just because it can most likely 1. dive a few hundred meters deeper due to thick blubber .2 the livyatan would not give the un-intelligent megalodon time to think out its attack .3 livyatan likely had an upper hand on different ways to intercept the attack like for example the megalodon is closer to the surface so the livyatan will be smart and have time to use what ever current advantage it has over the megalodon. Finback whales are said to be known as the greyhound of the sea because of their speed. The remaining surivivors mate and breed to replenish their population. We have no complete fossils of either and can only make guesses. As long as megalodons hide isn’t over 13 inches long then Livy should be able to bite through its back. The meg must bite off the fins to win which can only be done in an ambush. This is about the same as modern male sperm whales, which are 16 m long and weigh 41 tonnes on average. This is a straight-up fight, no hunt or stand-off involved. Megaladon estimated on average 60 feet, and 20 tons. but leviathan is smarter. leviathan will bite megs gills and meg is now a meatloaf. One whale was already taking several dolphins at a time, and I'm pretty sure they're smarter than the Don (albeit, KWs tend to hold back). However: as I said before, sharks lose speed compared to a smaller individual of similar morphology with increasing size and weight because it will spend more energy at the same speed as its reduced version because of the weight and the shark, in general, not being predators of endurance, the largest will be much slower even if their morphology allows them. Also only one attack on a humpback whale has been recorded. Considering megalodon preferred smaller whales, it is likely it would be difficult for it to catch the greater whale species. Its teeth were almost twice the size of Megalodon’s, and if it was like whales of today it was a more agile swimmer. According to the eq system female animals are several times more intelligent than males of the same species simply because they are smaller. "Deep Sea Killers" is the fifth episode of Jurassic Fight Club. Numbers are really against the meg here... Meg is not that much larger than a Killer whale, plus the whales are on a whole different level of intelligence than the shark, and there are 25 of them. livyatans are likely relatives to an orca or a sperm whale. TomCatX [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons. The livyatan would probably win by a small margin not because of brains or agility but because of stronger bones, blubber armor, and a head ram. A smart man will lose to a trained, strong man. Whales today travel at 25-35 mph when scared. And no matter what we comparing, Meg's size, weight, bite force, and the ability to settle in different situations... Meg is always better than the leviathan. So Livyatan and cachalot aren’t the only cetaceans who wouldn’t die in one bite from the megalodon. WHale is wrong because the Meglodon can kill anything, Megalodon wins because it is bigger and faster and more stronger bites and it will bite all the fins of the Livyatan and the Livyatan will headbut the Meglodon and the Meglodon will destroy the Livyatan life it is just like Carcharadontsaurus bs I mean vs T Rex which Carcha is bigger and TRex teeth is larger and Carcha is faster and more stronger than the average TRex, Meglodon will win it is not about it’s size because it is 40-60ft and the Livyatan is 40-60ft too so they are the same length but the Meglodon is 100tones and the Livyatan is 50tones but the true reason is it’s speeds which Megalodon is 56Km and the Livyatan is 50Km and the Meglodon bite was 18-20tones and the Livyatan is 10tones but the Livyatan got a bigger head which is used for headbuting which made the Meglodon 60% and the Meglodon bites all its fins but forget the killing one the tail and the Livyatan quick reacts using its bites and the Meglodon is 40% and the Livyatan is 50% and the bites the Livyatan tail and nearly managed to tore it off and the Livyatan is going to the surface to breath but the injuries slowed it down so the Meglodon did final kill chrunching the Livyatan heart and lungs and the Livyatan is no more, Meg would win because it is bigger faster and more stronger bits and bigger jaws but there is more advantages Meg can headbut the Livyatan belly but that would end in big trouble it can take huge chunks from the Livyatan but it must be ambush because it is not intelligent as the Livyatan and even it is fish so it can drown the poor beast poor Livyatan but if the Livyatan bellyflopped the Meglodon it is big trouble time for the Meglodon because it can not fight and it is having trouble because the Livyatan can throw it on land but the Meglodon still can play dead we all know that Meglodon has huge teeth but it turned out that the Livyatan has huger teeth but the Meglodon still wins, Megalodon would likely be the winner because with a much stronger biteforce and way faster and more thicker hide I mean skin and well adapted to the sea and slightly bigger but I think the Livyatan would win when the Meg is a teen and the Livyatan is a adult and Livyatan would because it is skater so it could react with a quick speed I wold give the winner to the Meg but it’s just slightly. 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